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Subject: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:07 am
Hi One and All
Now that I have finished the Wacht am Rhein I need a new project, I have the MMM Lady "T" that I have had so long that Nelson had both eye's when I got her, but I fell that something that will not take me a year or two to finish is needed, so I have decided to start on the Guardsman, again this will not be a step by step build just me rambling along doing my thing.
Fred
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Subject: Update Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:22 am
Hi One and All
On with the build.
I have placed an order with Model Boat Bits for the running gear and a 385 motor, which should be with my in a few day's time.
In the mean time I started to cut out the keel.
As you can see I have inserted some nylon bolts into the keel, so that I will have a sound fixing point inside of the hull for when I fix the keel.
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Subject: Keel Fitted Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:03 pm
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Well I have now fitted the keel, I used a new to me product called Devcon that is a 16 hour curing epoxy, I also put in some dragon teeth to help with the bonding.
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Subject: Keel and Running Gear Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:03 am
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All the items arrived from Model Boat Bits, and are now fitted into the boat.
My next move was to make the rudder, my first one was made from a medium size brass rudder, which I had cut to shape it did not look to bad, but when I offered it up to the boat it was all wrong, it sat at the wrong angle to the hull and the rudder post was so far out of the hull the "O" ring would have never worked.
My second attempt I think is a bit better and I just hope that it will work, I will let the photos do the talking.
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Subject: running gear fitted Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:34 pm
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So I hade now fitted the running gear in place, I put the shaft in place and made a support for it.
With the shaft in place, it was time to make it more permanent, so out came the Devcon sorry about the photos.
with the Devcon harden I next fixed the shaft covers.
I will have to flare the cover into the hull at some time before I paint.
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Subject: Keel flare In Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:59 am
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Over the last few day's I have been cutting the waste plastic from the top of the hull, it was not until I had to do this did I realise just how bad the cut line was defined.
I then moved onto flaring in the keel to the hull, for this I used Squadron Green, I found it very easy to sand down to make a neat finish.
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Well done for keeping modelling Fred I've had to give up for a while - its just too hot in the workshop to be able to concentrate
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Subject: Laying Out Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:29 pm
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Thank you Barriew for your comment,
So yesterday I just laid out the locations for the motor and Battery, and today I made the bases more of a fixture. you can see in the motor photo that I am using an old coupling this is because I put the new one some were safe and now I cannot find it (now that is safe)
I just may upgrade the battery to a 7.2v instead of the 6v that I have in place at this moment.
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Subject: Keel Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:37 pm
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So with the keel all flared in, I sprayed the hull with primer filler to find any low spots that need refilling,
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Subject: Rudder Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:23 am
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Now that the keel is in place it was time to fix the rudder post. I just fixed the rudder in place with some masking tape
On the inside of the hull the rudder post set to the height and then fixed with a wood support
Fred
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Subject: Deck Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:29 pm
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So I have now removed all the waste plastic down to the top of the bulwark, I used a depth gauge to work out the position of the deck beams,
The clamps the I used are from broken trousers hangers, so the next time you or your partner goes shopping at that store that is named after a saint (not me) ask for some hangers.
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Subject: Re: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:12 pm
I will be following Fred.
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Subject: Hi Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:36 pm
Hi Martin
Good to see you again, I am looking forward to our little chats again.
Keep safe
Fred
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Subject: Deck Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:47 am
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I have not done much to the Guardsman of late, but I have now started to cut out the deck.
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Subject: Re: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:49 am
Hi Fred, I am already looking forward to your next update.
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Subject: Dec k & Wheel House Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:19 pm
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Well I have now cut out the deck and also trimmed it to fit the hull,
With that done I moved on to fixing the battery base, I used the Devcon for this, I have decided to go with a 7.2 battery pack in place of the 6 volt pack that I was going to use.
As I waited for the Devcon to dry, I set about cutting out the wheel house. as you can see I have also removed the door and window areas.
After some time cutting and filing the door and windows to shape, I started to make the door frame, when that is dried I will do the same with the windows.
Until next time
Fred
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Subject: Re: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:18 am
How did you cut the deck Fred?
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Subject: Re: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:41 am
Hi Fred, I am assuming that Devcon is a glue !
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Subject: Deck & Devcon Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:46 am
Hi One & All
Swab I just took a photo copy of the deck from the plan, now this has the center line marked on it, I then used a Rotary cutter and a steel rule to cut out the deck, this gave me the rough shape of the deck and by having the center line I was able to lay the deck onto the hull to see how much I needed to remove to get the deck to fit into the hull, I then marked a line acros the deck with a one inch gap between each line, taking a set of divider's I took the measurement from the center line to the edge of the deck, I then halved the difference and marked a dot onto the deck until I had covered the deck edge with a line of dots, it was then just a case of removing the deck back to the dot, to do this I started of with a bastard file and worked down untill I used a finishing file and fine paper.
Martin yes Devcon is an epoxy glue with a slow set time.
Fred
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Subject: Re: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:24 am
Thank you Fred,
I had to get out my magnifying glass for that reply LOL!!
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Subject: Guardsman update Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:25 pm
Hi One & All Since my last update on the Guardsman, I have now fitted the rudder servo, not one of my best servo box's I must say.
When the Guardsman first came out (1982) the radio equipment at the time was a bit on the large side, so the rudder horn was placed on the outside of the deck, but thanks to todays equipment I can now fit the rudder horne under the deck.
As I had made my own rudder some what different to the orignal, it ment that I had to make the rudder horn as well, so out came the trusted 13 amp plug.
Fred
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I really like the use of the 13Amp plug pins. I will definitely have to remember that tip. She is slowly coming together. When you think back and the size of the RC components compared to today.
Martin.
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What a brilliant bit of improvisation a 3 pin plug blade, i absolutely love it
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Subject: 13 amp plug Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:04 am
Hi One and All
With regards to using a 13 amp plug pin, the down side it that the retaining screw is in the wrong place, so to tighten the screw you will have to use a right angle screwdriver.
I am now thinking of getting some brass wheel collets along with some brass strip and making them into rudder horns.
Fred
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Subject: Re: Vic Smmed "Guardsman" Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:36 am
Hi Fred,
Re:- The retaining screw.
I have had similar and i found the best way was to fit the control horn to the rudder post after turning the rudder at right angles to the keel. Then fit the rudder linkage to the rudder control horn first then connect the linkage to the servo horn then push the servo horn on to the servo.
That way no special tool required.
Martin.
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Subject: Wheel House Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:12 pm
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First in answer to Martin, yes I see just what you are saying and yes that will work on some boats, but unfortunately on the Guardsman there is not the luxury of the space to do this, so I had no choice but to use a right angle screwdriver.
Some time back I came across a company called Smart Models, (http://www.smartmodels.co.uk) and in there mail order under tools I found a product that I think my be useful, it comes in four sizes Small - Medium - Large and Heavy Duty, I got myself a set of small and medium, as in the past I have used some right angel aluminium to do this job.
This is the small set in action
Fred
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I am now thinking of getting some brass wheel collets along with some brass strip and making them into rudder horns.
Fred
Fred - this is now my preferred method of making tiller arms. I gave up on 13amp pins for just the reason you mention. I like the magnetic formers for getting square joins. I have something similar I bought from a model shop in York. They were designed for railway modellers.
Barrie
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Subject: Wheel House Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:38 pm
Hi One & All
This is just a quick update on my build. After having to take a short break I am now back on to the build, I started the wheel house back in August, after cutting out all the parts and using the magnetic right angels to get the corners right, I started to clad the wheel house with wood, the photos are how the W/H looks at this moment, the wires are for the W/H light, I am still working on the door and roof.
Fred
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Swab thank you for your input, that was my thinking as well.
Here are the photos of the Bilge Keels along with the fixings.
I have also started to paint the hull in my Fleet colours, Red upper hull and black lower hull, i have done this so that I can fix all the running gear in place for the last time, then I can concentrate on planking the deck and finish making all the deck furniture.
Fred
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I am doing all the boats the I have built in Red above the water line and Black below the water line, I am also thinking of doing the funnels in a cream with a Red topping band. and yes Red is my favourite colour.
For the first time for me I am going to have "CREW" on this boat.
The firs two are from Fine Scale Figures (https://finescalefigures.com) under Dockyard/Boat crew and cost £5.00 each + P/P. the third is from Battle Crafts (https://www.battlecrafts.com) and cost £5.95 + P/P.
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So today I have finished off the wood cladding of the wheelhouse along with fitting the glazing,
The next thing was, I need to fit out the wheel house, after looking in to the spares box I found a wood ships wheel that would fit the job, next was to make a floor for the wheel house, I have also fitted some wood duck boards for the cox to stand on.
Fred
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I do know what you mean, I have a MMM Lady "T" still to build and it is the wood work that is stopping me from starting, ask me to make a table lamp the way we used to do in wood working class and I would say "No Way"
As for the Guardsman she is mostly polystyrene with pre-cut wood strip used for the cladding so not much in the way of wood working.
Fred
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I have not done much these last few day's but what I have done is hang the door onto the wheelhouse, sorry to say it does not work I have made it a fixed door.
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